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OCTOBER 10, 2025
PERTH, AUSTRALIA AT RAC ARENA
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[HOUR ONE]
-They opened with a video showing a “hand off” the (meaningless, barely ever mentioned) Crown Jewel Title belts from Saudio Arabia to Australia 7,065 miles.
(Keller’s Analysis: This had the vibe of a bad WWE Films-produced action-adventure or thrilled movie. I mean, it’d be cool if this was done for a meaningful title belt the fans had a reason to care about and was part of the narrative year round.)
-They cut to the arena where Cole touted all the bedazzling of the Crown Jewel Title belts which was shown at ringside.
-Cody Rhodes made his ring entrance wearing a blue suit with a red tie. He carried his WWE Title belt to the ring with him.
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Ina Kim-Schaad won the 2025 U.S. Women’s Mid-Amateur Championship for the second time on Thursday, draining an 18-foot putt on the fifth extra hole at Monterey Peninsula Country Club’s Dunes Course to claim a dramatic victory over her opponent, Hanley Long. The 23-hole final match was the longest in U.S. Women’s Mid-Am history.
At 42 years old, Kim-Schaad is a USGA event veteran, with this year marking her 20th USGA championship appearance. With the win, she became the fourth-oldest champion ever at the U.S. Women’s Mid-Am, and the first woman to win the Mid-Am twice since Julia Potter-Bobb in 2016. Kim-Schaad won her first Mid-Am title in 2019 at Forest Highlands Golf Club in Flagstaff, Ariz.
“I’m still overwhelmed with emotion, honestly,” Kim-Schaad said Thursday. “I truly love this place, and my husband and I got married in Carmel. To do it at such a special place, golf course, with my family here and my husband on the bag, his birthday day week, and for a second time, it’s like there’s not even enough language to put around just all the feels that I’m feeling.”

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Kim-Schaad fired stroke-play rounds of 72-79 (seven over) to take the 45th seed in the match-play Round of 64. She won her first match 1 up; her Round of 32 match 2 and 1, her Round of 16 match 3 and 2, her quarterfinal match 3 and 1, and her semi-final match 2 and 1, where she took out No. 1 seed Katherine Zhu.
In the final match against Long, 27, Kim-Schaad won the first hole and never trailed, but Long managed to tie the match four different times — including on the 17th hole. Kim-Schaad ultimately prevailed with a dramatic birdie on the fifth extra hole.
“Downhill left-to-right ticklers are not my specialty, but I just wanted to give it a chance,” Kim-Schaad said. “I thought if I nestled it up there and two-putted, [Long] was going to have a really difficult par anyway. My genuine intention was nestle it up there and give it a chance, and it just happened to drop.”
“It was an absolute battle out there the entire day,” Long said. “Hats off to our champion. She absolutely crushed it today. Honestly, I’m just so proud of my grit and determination throughout the entire day, keeping my head up and held high and never giving up.”
With the win, Kim-Schaad will receive an exemption into the next 10 U.S. Women’s Mid-Amateur Championships, the 2026 and 2027 U.S. Women’s Amateur Championships and the 2026 U.S. Women’s Open Championship at Riviera Country Club.
The 2026 U.S. Women’s Mid-Amateur Championship will be played at Montclair Golf Club in West Orange, N.J., Sept. 29-Oct. 3.
PEBBLE BEACH, Calif. — Ina Kim-Schaad outlasted Hanley Long in the longest championship match in U.S. Women’s Mid-Amateur history Thursday, winning with an 18-foot birdie putt on the fifth extra hole on Monterey Peninsula Country Club’s Dunes Course.
Kim-Schaad, a 42-year-old from Jupiter, Florida, also won in 2019. She is the fourth-oldest winner in event history and the first two-time winner since Julia Potter-Bobb in 2016. The tournament is open to players 25 and older with a Handicap Index that doesn’t exceed 9.4.
“I’m overwhelmed with emotion, honestly,” Kim-Schaad said. “I truly love this place, and my husband and I got married in Carmel. To do it at such a special place, golf course, with my family here and my husband on the bag, his birthday day week, and for a second time, it’s like there’s not even enough language to put around just all the feels that I’m feeling.”
Long, a 28-year-old from Clarksville, Tennessee, squared it with a par on the par-4 17th when Kim-Schaad’s approach flew the green and she had to play her third shot from a cart path. Both players bogeyed the par-4 18th to send it extra holes. They parred the first four playoff holes, with Long holing an 18-footer on the second extra hole.
“It was an absolute battle out there the entire day,” Long said. “Honestly, I’m just so proud of my grit and determination throughout the entire day, keeping my head up and held high and never giving up.”
Both finalists earned spots in the 2026 U.S. Women’s Open at Riviera Country Club and the 2026 U.S. Women’s Amateur, with Kim-Schaad also getting into the 2027 U.S. Women’s Amateur.
The previous longest match in tournament history was 22 holes in 1989 in Robin Weiss’ victory over Page Marsh Lea.
2026 World Baseball Classic games to be broadcast in U.S. on FOX Sports
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The United States hadn’t hoisted the Espirito Santo Trophy at the Women’s World Amateur Team Championship since 2018, and they had to rely on an odd tiebreaker to snap that streak on Saturday in Singapore.
When the dust settled on Sunday at Tanah Merah Country Club, the United States, Spain and the Republic of Korea were all tied atop the leaderboard at 18 under. Despite the tie, there is no sudden-death playoff or special match-play tiebreaker. Instead, at the Women’s World Amateur Team Championships, it’s the thing that doesn’t normally count that proves to be the difference.
When the 72-hole scores are even, the tiebreaker is the lowest non-counting score.
In this case, that card belonged to Stanford star Megha Ganne, who shot an even-par 72 in the third round. It was a tiebreaker that Team USA was prepared to lean on, if needed, when the week began.
“We are beyond happy. We don’t get to do this often, to play for country, so we were just excited to be here,” Ganne, who won the U.S. Women’s Amateur Championship in August, said. “We were so impressed at the level of golf from Korea and Spain. It’s a heartbreaking tiebreaker for them, but we knew that the third score yesterday and today could matter.”
“We talked about it as a team that potentially it could come down to the third score,” Farah O’Keefe, a Texas junior, said. “And so I think we were all prepared throughout the week that everybody counted and when the final putt dropped, it just so happened, then a third score counted. And so the fact that we were prepared was huge.”
The first tiebreaker is the lowest non-counting score for the final round, but when Catherine Park, a senior at USC, made a birdie on the 18th hole to match Carolina Lopez-Chacarra with a 71, the tiebreaker moved to the lowest non-counting score from the third round, which went to Ganne.
“With my rules official background, I was very conscious of the tie-breaking element,” U.S. captain Kendra Graham, who worked in Rules and Competitions for the USGA, said. “The first phone call I had with each of them, I told them every single player was in it every single day … if it ever comes to a tiebreaker, we are going to that score.”
The Americans trailed Korea by three shots entering the final round but knew the deficit could be erased quickly.
“We all knew that three shots was nothing,” Ganne said. “That’s just that’s one hole if we all birdie it, so, we just tried to play absolutely the best golf we could, every single one of us.”
They did just that.
Ganne led the team with a bogey-free Sunday 68, while O’Keefe and Park both shot 71 to tie the match, with Park’s closing eight-foot birdie tying it up and handing the U.S. the trophy via tiebreaker.
“I’m just so happy,” Park said. “It’s the pressure of making that eight-footer and then knowing that we won was unbelievable. It has been a dream being here with them, winning this trophy.”
In the week since the U.S. team’s crushing Ryder Cup loss to Europe, a number of theories have surfaced in terms of who — or what — is to blame. One recurring theme: the green speeds at Bethpage Black.
In the U.S. team’s post-loss press conference on Sunday, American captain Keegan Bradley admitted he “made a mistake” with his course set-up directives — which included moving up tees and cutting down Bethpage’s famously gnarly rough — which inadvertently played into Europe’s favor.
Another problem? “The greens were as soft as I’ve ever seen greens without it raining,” Bradley said. “Especially here, it can get pretty firm, and they never firmed up. We didn’t want the greens to be like this soft.”
“We needed to make more putts,” said captain’s pick Justin Thomas, who went 2-2-0. “That’s what Keegan needed; he needed us to make more putts.”
While Bradley refused to place the blame on anyone but himself for the Americans’ issues, vice captain Jim Furyk said that U.S. players had doubts that the greens were running at the requested speed of 12.5 on the Stimpmeter.

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“We were told that they were 12 and a half on the stimp,” Furyk said ahead of this week’s Constellation Furyk & Friends tournament on the PGA Tour Champions. “I think that was the request. We were told that they stimped out that in the morning. Our players one by one didn’t think they reached that. I didn’t have a stimp in my hand to actually confirm it, nor was I allowed to hit a putt as a vice captain. That’s a rule. So I can’t tell you because I didn’t get to hit a putt. I wish I would have though.
“Guys had a hard time getting putts to the hole and it did appear to be a little gluey,” Furyk continued. “I think the request was always there to set the golf course up with less rough, but I think also believing that the greens would be firmer. I know we got some rain mid week but they were really, really soft when we arrived. So that probably is an issue a little bit. It’s not how we were looking at the golf course.”
Faster greens should have played to the U.S. team’s advantage.
“I think historically we play faster greens on the PGA Tour than [the Europeans] do [on the DP World Tour],” Bradley said after Saturday’s four-ball session, which the Europeans won 3-1. “Obviously when we go over to their British Open, the greens are considerably slower than what we play on in an average week. I think like British Open, they are around 10, 10 and a half, maybe 11. For us, when we play faster greens, they generally quicken up as the week goes on [and] the weather’s good. That’s normally what happens.”

Alyssa Godfrey is taking some time away from her day job delivering babies in hopes of delivering birdies this week. Godfrey is one of 132 competitors in the U.S. Women’s Mid-Amateur Championship field, which begins with the first stroke-play round at Monterey Peninsula Country Club’s Dunes course in Pebble Beach, Calif., on Saturday. The U.S. Women’s Mid-Am is open to players who are at least 25 years old by the opening day of the championship and have a USGA Handicap Index that does not exceed 9.4. The field is determined by 29 qualifying sites around country.
A competitive junior player in her home state of New York, Godfrey attended Wake Forest University but did not play golf for the Division I program. Post college, she got back into playing at her home club of Meadow Brook on Long Island, and qualified for the U.S. Women’s Mid-Am on her first try earlier this year. Godfrey is one of three players from her club who qualified for the Women’s Mid-Am.
“In the past couple of years, I’ve enjoyed starting to play some more local tournaments with women,” Godfrey said earlier this week. “I think it’s really such a wonderful community of adult women to play with. I wish I’d had the demeanor and the patience now at 30, back when I was in high school. I don’t have a ton of formal golf experience, but I’ve played my whole life.”
As an OB/GYN PA, Godfrey is one of several players with notable professions in the field. Also competing: NBC Sports/Golf Channel broadcaster Emilia Doran, golf writer Gabby Herzig and LPGA hopeful Brooke Seay, who recently graduated from Stanford with a master’s degree in epidemiology and clinical research.
How does Godfrey balance a demanding career with playing high-level golf? She says she makes an effort to play two to three times a week, and credits her supportive team of fellow clinicians at New York’s Mount Sinai Hospital.
“Over the summer, I kind of build my schedule around a couple of golf tournaments that I have team coverage for, which is really amazing,” she said. “I work, obviously, in women’s health and I work with a lot of women. And it’s just a good reminder that, outside of your career, you can have other interests that you pursue, and it’s really nice to have a team behind me at work who kind of makes that happen for me.”
And how many of her colleagues know what a high-level player she is?
“I have three attendings who texted me this morning,” she said. “They are all emotionally invested and cheering me on, which is really fun.”
Godfrey and her fellow competitors will play 36 holes of stroke play this weekend, with the top 64 players moving on to match play. You can find the entire U.S. Women’s Mid-Am schedule of play below. For more information on the championship and to follow live scoring, click here.
2025 U.S. Women’s Mid-Am Championship schedule
Saturday, Oct. 4: (Stroke Play, Round 1, 18 holes)
Sunday, Oct. 5: (Stroke Play, Round 2, 18 holes)
Monday, Oct. 6: (Round of 64, match play)
Tuesday, Oct. 7: (Round of 32/Round of 16, match play)
Wednesday, Oct. 8: (Quarterfinals/Semifinals, match play)
Thursday, Oct. 9: (Championship Match, 18 holes)

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PGA of America president Don Rea Jr., who initially compared vitriolic comments at the Ryder Cup to what could be heard at a youth soccer game, apologized Thursday in an email to the 30,000-plus golf professionals he was elected to serve.
Europe built a record lead after two days and held on for a 15-13 victory — its sixth in the past eight Ryder Cups — but the event was marred by a gallery that made it personal and profane.
“Let me begin with what we must own. While the competition was spirited — especially with the U.S. team’s rally on Sunday afternoon — some fan behavior clearly crossed the line,” read Rea’s letter, which was obtained by The Associated Press, to PGA of America members. “It was disrespectful, inappropriate, and not representative of who we are as the PGA of America or as PGA of America golf professionals. We condemn that behavior unequivocally.
“What makes our sport great is that we own our bogeys. We certainly own this one. Our CEO Derek Sprague has apologized on our behalf to Erica and Rory McIlroy and to everyone with Ryder Cup Europe. I would also like to personally apologize to them and all of you for not representing our association in the best light with some of my comments in the media during the event.
“While it wasn’t my intention, some of my comments were seen in a negative light which reflects poorly on not only myself but also on the PGA of America and for that I truly apologize.”
He ended the email, “God Bless and as always Go U.S.A!”
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The PGA of America has been reeling from its lack of response to the unruly behavior, which began at Bethpage Black as early as Friday morning when a small section of fans chanted, “F— you, Rory,” upon seeing McIlroy’s image on a video screen from the practice range.
It only got worse, with vulgar language directed at European players, video of a beer being slapped out of someone’s hand toward McIlroy’s wife, and a comedian hired to lead cheers on the first tee getting involved in the expletive-laden chant toward McIlroy.
“You’ve got 50,000 people here that are really excited, and heck, you could go to a youth soccer game and get some people who say the wrong things,” Rea said in a BBC interview Sunday morning.
He also said the behavior was distracting American players because they had to spend energy helping to control the crowd.
The abuse was so severe that McIlroy began pushing back, telling one spectator to “shut the f— up” during a foursomes match Saturday morning. McIlroy and Shane Lowry each gave it back to the gallery during their fourballs victory that afternoon.
“I haven’t heard some of that. I’m sure it happened,” Rea said during his BBC interview when asked about the abuse hurled toward McIlroy. “It happens when we’re over in Rome on the other side, and Rory understands. Things like that are going to happen.”
Said Matt Fitzpatrick of Rea’s Rome reference: “It’s pretty offensive to European fans the fact that he said that, really.”
Lowry said the level of abuse directed at McIlroy’s wife was “astonishing.”
Sprague went on Golf Channel on Tuesday and said spectators crossed the line and that he planned to apologize personally to McIlroy and his wife, who formerly worked at the PGA.
“Rory might have been a target because of how good he is, but the entire European team should not have been subjected to that,” Sprague said on Golf Channel. “I feel badly and I plan on apologizing to them.”
Rea also took heat for an awkward trophy presentation Sunday in which he mentioned Europe had retained the cup, instead of winning it.
“I’m personally taking some criticism right now and that comes with the role and just like when I was an umpire I expect it,” Rea posted on his Linkedin page Tuesday. “However to the students and PGA members that follow me, know this, I am not bothered.”
The PGA of America announced in 2013 that it would bring the Ryder Cup to Bethpage Black, the proud, public golf course on Long Island that had a reputation for its raw comments directed at players.
Ted Bishop, who was the PGA president at the time, was forced out of his position in 2014 after a social media post in which he angrily referred to Ian Poulter as a “lil girl.”
The Associated Press contributed to this report.

At all your better competitions for cups — the Solheim Cup, the Walker Cup, the Presidents Cup, the Ryder Cup — there are sessions devoted to alternate-shot play. What the Scots call foursomes. The Ryder Cup, in its formal accounting, still uses that word. All square and dormie, as golfing terms, have fallen out of favor.
But foursomes survives and sometimes thrives. It’s a wee nod to a deep truth about the game: All that’s great about it has Scottish roots.
Have you ever played foursomes? If you haven’t, I recommend it. It’s not a good workout for your driver, or even your putter. But it will test your ability to step up and in when the moment demands it of you. In that, it resembles life. It will get you connected to your playing partner in a way few others in sports can. And in that, too, it resembles life. It’s a regular game in very few places, most of them are in Scotland. At Prestwick, for instance, where the Open Championship got its start.
At Bethpage Black, and on every other occasion when the Europeans have won a Ryder Cup, it’s because Europe has been dominant in the foursomes sessions. That is, the format by which each player takes turns. The format by which you are rooting for your playing partner when he or she plays with every fiber of your being, matched only by your desire to lift up the other player when it’s your turn. It eliminates all of golf’s inherent self-absorption.
At Bethpage, the Europeans won the Friday and Saturday foursomes sessions by the same margin, 3-1. Six points, on their way to the 14 they needed. There have been similar results through the years. The European players are better at foursomes than the American players. There’s a reason for that. They come out of cultures that are more communal. In Europe, they love public transportation. We are a nation of cowboys. Not judging a thing here, just trying to make an observation.
The Europeans wore brown shirts on Saturday, and nobody complained. My colleague Claire Rogers was making this point the other day: The European players are much more comfortable being physical with one another — hugging, draping an arm over a shoulder — than their American equivalents.
Agatha McNaughton, wiserools, why they’re the proper rools of affection — and all the waitin’ and oohin’ and ahineternity at a well-soaked meal somewhere in Scotland:
“All those gentlemanly rools, why they’re the proper rools of affection — and all the waitin’ and oohin’ and ahin’ o’er yer shots, all the talk o’ this one’s drive and that one’s putt and the other one’s gorgeous swing — what is it all but love?”
Yep. Foursomes golf most particularly. I’m not saying the Americans don’t understand what Mrs. McNaughton is saying there. I am saying that for the Europeans, her words are a way of life.